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Friday, November 03, 2006

Some more insights to Chandrima and Telegraph for possibly expanding their horizons of appreciation, which seems to be non-existant for now

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The Editor Telegraph India: The Telegraph
6 Prafulla Sarkar Street, Calcutta 700001
Email: ttedit@abpmail.com

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CHANDRIMA S. BHATTACHARYA, Author of the Article: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp

email: (http://www.blogger.com/ ; chandrima at abpmail dot com)

This article(originally posted as Comment # 220) is also Posted at: http://desicritics.org/2006/10/26/070855.php ;

This also has reference to your article http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp :Sex & The City : What are men scared of?, I am sending this your way for you to understand our activities a bit more and possibly be a bit more informed in your journalistic(or the lack of it) ventures in future. You always welcome to clarify, if need be. By the way do reply to acknowledge the receipt of this, anyway you will have to reply to the "Legal Notice" is being send to your office soon enough for your appropriate actions.

*************** Comment on behalf of SIF, addressing stereotypical indifference, apathy and mindless resistance to even appreciate the need for SIF activities, let alone acknowledge the fact the Gender biased laws like DV ACT and IPC 498a, are actually pushing Indian Families into the brink of non-existence, and thence a nation to an awaiting black-hole which will suck it into total annhilation and Oblivion******************************

Comment#213: "MCPs who are looking for sexual favours, provide protectionist attitude and shelter to women causes under the genetically hard wired sub conscious thought, that having erased/removed/defeated one more male from sexual competition, there is an increase(even if miniscule) in probability of finding that available mate for having some more sex."............. "Somebody who already Commented".......... I don't know, for sure, what's the reality in your case, but I agree to the above line of thought, about males feeling obliged to think in favour of a woman ,even when he sees a lot of men helplessly trying to get out of the turmoil they are pushed into by unscrupulous wives/girls, who would almost always lie about the reality. This "Common unaffected" man would not believe that women could be such cold-blooded predators who tries to target her target-victim's emotional stability and his above 'soft-corner' for women, which is conditioned in him by centuries of culture and traditional upbringing- these 'common unaffected but fixated, and un-inquisitive male types will only sit and think about the 'conspiracy theories' when the killer meteorite smashes his planet(or beliefs, self-imposed but stupid sensitivities, and his out-of-touch-with-reality dogmas!) into smithereens, then he will sit-up and realize , yes this was what SIF talked on that day

.......... Welcome to Armageddon , where u either stand alone and wither away or you team-up with other 'Born again Men' and fight for justice even if it's a fight till death.... This is the reality monsieur, this is the truth, it may be bitter, but u will do better to verify and realize this ASAP, lest we meet for a bit in the same SIF camp, for the Apocalypse. Sooner we all join together the better, we need to save this society from moral decay and mindless destruction, realisation may come at several points to all of you, or somemay never want to accept the reality, but no one is going to insulated from this issue at hand.

If we have Christian and Muslim theologies ready to get on the war path(some say that's the actual apocalypse which has been talked about in mythology) , we already have wars between Male and Female genders, as an undercurrent in our societies for a long time, this disturbing and avoidable trend is assuming dangerous proportions, that's a worrying specter, and that's why we need to ACT NOW.


I would also add another point about why a man feels compelled, if not for this sub-conscious need for advancing in the queue in the "mating game!".... this propensity to side women mindlessly comes from the conditioning which makes us think that "all women are helpless, weak and defenseless and we are supposed to be the 'Knights in Armour' who are responsible for protecting her against any harm, even at our own peril(that's supposed to be a Gentleman's hallmark, to lay his life down for a lady, yes I too believed it, but now I know better; like being cautious about the possibility of back-stabbed when you least expect it by the same lady you would have laid you life in the line of fire!).

This conditioning is in line with the age-old "Rakhi" tradition, when rakhi was instituted as a way to ensure protection to women by making men their 'mooh bolah' brothers(adopted brothers or whatever one may call this 'Rakhi').

While females(can't call them ladies or even women, and I am not talking about each every female on the face of this earth, I am talking about some malignant strain/breed of the female kind) have evolved and taken to predatory, 'imperialistic', & selfish manipulations and who would wrongly take recourse to lopsided laws, and misuse these draconic laws which inherently lack any degree of rudimentary checks and balances, feigning with some false pretext(the laws which they(or malignant money-making, power-mongering lobbies of these sick feminazies/females) push through leaving logic and 'natural justice' and other primal Maxims of all laws, in lurch(Maxims of Law including not an Innocent should be convicted even if 100 criminals escape the "net" of Law- leave alone 1 innocent, lakhs of innocent victims of misuse of these gender biased laws are wallowing in the dark and trying to team up with their brethren who are like minded, of similar fate or just plain just and honest, good Samaritans).

And in between these struggles to try and get our society evolve in the direction, simpletons driven by love of poetry or plain pompous gay abandon, end up quoting poems in which are very 'nice' but perfectly out of context when you consider that they are directed as taunts at members of SIF (referring to comment # 217). But if 'null' had changed his comment after the poem as "See Mother how these sons of yours are taking on to what you had wished", ... then it would have been an excellent tribute to some of those hardworking, selfless activists of SIF who are selflessly spending mighty man-hours online and offline to make a difference. The efforts which would be cherished by our successors(including the children of the same detractors of SIF and similar uprisings, who are now mindlessly opposing our messages and intend, leave alone not agreeing to our cause, they don't even allow a patient hearing of what we are clarifying, that "we are here to try and reduce the misuse, if not eliminate it- not to take away these rightful recourses which women obviously need - we are not here to increase the gender divide, we are here to reduce it by accepting both genders as important and blissfully different/complimentary in unison, and hence both deserve an equal footing".

An equal footing cannot be achieved before we, as a start, eliminate the 'glaring' bias in the laws like IPC 498a and DV Act, which almost assumes that violence, cruelty or harassment are ambit of the "male form" only!, what's this absurd logic about?, where has it come from. Yes, we all observe that more women get abused/violated/oppressed/harassed than males in a marital set-up(but this as a proportion compared to males being oppressed in a marital set-up is increasing thanks to these draconic laws), but please introduce checks and balances to prevent misuse by anybody and which ensures the genuine victim, irrespective of gender gets justice.

I hope to have a consensus on the fact that our aim should not be to mould a legislature which is wide open for misuse and which will put men and their families(which includes sisters and mothers, who do not possibly qualify as "women"!) at perpetual risk and liable to oppression, unduly disadvantaged and manipulation.

With this I hope to have ur favourable audience and articulate discussions, be good to your selves and other's(who might not "seem" to have a privileged life, as you seem to be having). Don't just sit and spit out "Roobbish" as they say ;), enjoyyy life anyway.

Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul

B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M

Director, Protect Indian Family, Mumbai (NGO working for Marital & Familial Harmony)

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----- Original Message -----
From: Gocool
Cc: SIS ; sif-mumbai ; SIF
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 2:44 PM
Subject: Article submission from Save India Family group, regarding Domestic Violence Act- for ur consideration


The Editor Telegraph India: The Telegraph
6 Prafulla Sarkar Street, Calcutta 700001
Email: ttedit@abpmail.com

This article is also Posted at: http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/others/feedback.asp , this has reference to your article http://www.telegraphindia.com/1061030/asp/calcutta/story_6933770.asp :Sex & The City : What are men scared of?

DV Bill: Threat to family or Boon for Domestic harmony

Since the introduction of the bill, men have been protesting against the bill and women were wondering, apparently, “What are men scared of?” .Yes the reasoning behind the protest and wonder is missing, but yes the drafters of the bill are all well aware of the reasons, but are silently seeing their ulterior motives being realised through this act.

First and foremost, the objective of the bill is misguiding both in the case of Title and Preamble. An objective man with some syntactic knowledge of english language will reasonably believe that DV bill, will aim at curbing the domestic violence. The ulterior objective of the bill is hidden behind the nice words of protecting women from domestic violence, but actually has nothing to do with curbing domestic violence and promoting domestic harmony within family sphere.

Domestic violence, in its clearest interpretation, can be committed by anybody and everybody within or outside the family, and the offenders are not gender-specific(men do not have monopoly of "executing" acts of D.V!!). On the contrary, the bill limits the victims only to women and perpetrators only to men. A general experience, with 498a is that there are many threats given to husband and his relatives to meet the demands of wife and her relatives before actually filing the complaint. The DV Bill legalizes this procedure and gives more teeth to such women. After the protection order is passed, its anybody's guess and limited only to imagination of any man/woman about what all could go wrong, and this is the real domestic violence which is going to be the prime bye-product of this law. Usually, whatever be the point of difference, a woman will be encouraged by her clout/feminists or even lawyers and protection officers to provoke the man to engage in acts akin to domestic violence. It can be easily noted that mere one or two acts of provoked domestic violence does not have sever impact on the woman, but the gains out of such provocation are huge for the woman, under domestic violence act. The definition of domestic violence is also such that mere consented acts of woman may also be accounted as domestic violence. Thus it is extremely easy for any woman to obtain protection order, whether in reality the act of male has caused damage to the extent of grievance of woman or not. However as soon as the protection order is obtained, the woman becomes all powerful in the domestic sphere. The implications of the violation of protection order on man and his family are extremely sever.

It is not actually necessary for any act of domestic violence to have happened actually to cause the damage to the man’s life under the provisions of this act, a mere allegation is enough. Violation of protection order is a non-bailable offence. If the woman goes into police station and only reports that the domestic violence has again been committed in any imaginary form, the man will be immediately arrested and sent to jail without enquiry. Arrest for one day is enough punishment for anybody. The humiliation and wrath and depression is only added damage not to forget the provision under law that a day’s arrest will by default result in loss of employment. Besides the stigma in society after the arrest is made is nearly unbearable for any man. The fear of loss of shelter and property is also tremendous. A man whose female relative has obtained protection order against him, will fear her to death. There is nothing with him which he cannot lose. The punishment of living under protection order shall be worse than living in jail for one year.

Such position makes the woman, extra-ordinarily powerful at home. The man shall be under absolute control of the woman and vulnerable to the domestic violence, which may extend to any form of abuse such as verbal, emotional and even physical. The man obviously by definition of this law cannot obtain any protection against the violent woman.

It is a misnomer promoted by feminists that woman is alone, weak and cannot handle herself. Women are socially powerful elements and have often taken help from natal home, to establish and assert their power in matrimonial home. Such trend will take a boost, due to this law.

The provisions of this act also do not leave much scope for enough opportunity for hearing from man during trial and do not leave any scope for material evidence. The offence is convictable, by the word of devil herself. The monetary benefits and benefit of power within home is such that the irrational behavior is simply irresistible for most women.

The opportunities for NGOs and corrupt officers are also aplenty and are further protected by law. NGOs have been given free hand to mishandle the man and his opinions in the family matter. Police officers have been given mandatory functions to intimidate him. The lure of money and power over the household will be simply irresistible for such unaccountable aides to woman.

A man will lose all his opinions in the household and will have to silently see his household destroyed by the unscrupulous women and people around. He may never be able to protect his children against any such abuse.

The ridiculous provisions of keeping the women outside the ambit of domestic violence act, will actually promote domestic violence by women in the family sphere and men shall lose all the reasonable opinions in the house and their lives will also be jeopardized socially economically and physicially.

The above explanation is sufficient to foresee the domestic violence promoted by enactment of Domestic Violence Act.

The objective of the act should have been to prevent domestic violence within domestic sphere and allow for reasonable opportunities for all parties at home and government should have looked for the earliest opportunity to withdraw the intervention inside the home after ensuring that reasonable circumstances exist for restoration of domestic harmony at home. The domestic violence act is going create a mess in our backyard, and no one shall forgive feminists and irrational questions such as "What are men scared of?"

Contributed by a SIF member who choses to remain anonymous for legal reasons

Warm Regards

P.R.Gokul

B.E(E.C.E), M.B.A, C.P.I.M

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7 comments:

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

How an NRI in fear of arrest due to misuse of 498A going to attend in the meeting in India in first place? Will be like placing the head in the lion's mouth!!! So have such meetings in UK and USA also where people feel many victims are or give some sort of guarantee for NRI's return after the meeting to attend to his duties back in UK and USA. This matter is as bad as that and I am sorry to say this in 2006. With all due respect for India but NRI's life is also valuable. Thanx UK guy.

Anonymous said...

498A Section should not be a nightmare. The reason it is so is because as we read here, the police arrest the husband and the family upon the lady's first complain and then the case starts. The lady in question can complain to the police and then the police have to tell her to hire a lawyer to fight the case. The idea seems that the lady likes to harrase the husband and his family and this can be done so easily as she does not have to lift a stick or hire a gunda as the police do that job for her and so the police are guilty here and they should firstly be taken to the court and then the husband. Come on police we have to see you as god figure. Please dont lose your chance to get moksha doing your duty. As clearly it is the police harrasing and not the husband in many cases. So is there a 498A/Police to go legally against the police? These cases will almost get very small in number if this police illegal decision is put to check. Come on police we have to see you as god figure. People are clearly not scared of a letter from the lady's lawyer as they have the time and the money to fight back with the proof we see here. But how they do this and specially from abroad as they have the fear of being arrested in the first place? If one tries to be a Gandhi in 2006 India, he/she gets a bullet bit too quick and seems from the law itself. Time waste trying to teach the law makers when this law is understood to be unfair by even a street man. So let some law makers first try to be Gandhi and do something constructive for India. May be this is why many men first become PIO-Person of Indian Origin and then NRI. So he can live and marry happily abroad where there is plenty of choice(Indians also) and you can marry and face a civilised law and not the unlawful police stick in India. So people qualify in India after spending so much of Government money and then move abroad to serve overseas country. Wake up India. Wah!!! UK Guy.

Anonymous said...

NRI lost interest and respect for the place when recently got into this trap. Previously was visiting India regularly and also contrubuted at places of need. Totally innocent but now even scared to place information here with name and address.....simply because you never know what can happen. My life is valued by me and dont want it ruined by some thugs when such law exists in India. Can we please have more Gandhis from the politicians of India? Gandhi opened this employment.....that is Official Indian Politics. So let us give something in return to HIM please. UK Guy.

Anonymous said...

Indians

SOME VERY IMPRESSIVE FACTS ABOUT INDIANS IN USA !!!

There are 3.22 Million Indians in America

38% of Doctors in America are Indians.

12% of Scientists in America are Indians.

36% of NASA employees are Indians.

34% of MICROSOFT employees are Indians

28% of IBM employees are Indians

17% of INTEL employees are Indians

13% of XEROX employees are Indians

23% of Indian Community in America is having Green-Card'

Above information from an email

So why they went to USA in the first place?
Why so many more still want to go to USA and UK in 2006?
WAKE UP INDIA.

Sat Nov 04, 02:21:34 AM 2006

Anonymous said...

Why they left India?..... Because many of them might be children of the leaders and the rich in India and prefer to live in the west.

Anonymous said...

Reading all this about the misuse of law and in particular misuse of 498A, I have a suggestion for NRI. Go to India for a holiday. Like now, don’t get involved with politics and business there in India. By now after many years abroad, you have got this title of being a NRI. Most likely you are born abroad. So be a NRI. They used to say when you marry a lady, the 2 families also get married. The problems get sorted out by the 2 families. But remember now…..REMEMBER…..NRI guy not only marries an Indian lady from India but also marries the India police, who are the first ones to arrest you before you are found guilty. Why we blame the law? The law is there. The people who put the law in place are the ones to take the responsibility. So why marry a lady from India in the first place? There are plenty of Indian ladies abroad also where you now live. The Indian lady from India will find it difficult to adjust to the life abroad…..in particular UK and then will blame you and they have the additional police force in India who they can rely on to lock you up next time you are in India or can call you to India by arresting your family member in India, if you have any there. Why marry one and try to see if she adjusts to the life in UK. Why take this risk as she has the Indian police on her side to even ruin your future visits to India. Be safe where you belong and serve that country. You are a NRI and be a NRI. Yes, visit India, see the place, enjoy the Darshans at religious places, enjoy the food and get out after that, back to where you belong. Sorry India this is happening now after personal experience. I am giving my points only about this one problem in India. It is up to others and India herself to address other issues. UK guy.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
UK GUY HAS READ THIS ARTICLE ON INTERNET.....

(KNOWS OF ANOTHER CASE WHERE ANOTHER LADY FROM INDIA HAD COMPLAINED TO THE POLICE ABOUT SIMILAR INCIDENT AND THEN THE POLICE WERE AFTER HER BODY.....NOW THAT LADY IS IN UK). SO GRADUALLY INDIA WILL HAVE MANY DISTURBED LADIES AND SINGLE PARENT CHILDREN. BIG PRICE TO PAY).

Dear Friends,

I am please to blog this on behalf of this 17 Yr Old College going Girl, She Writes

I being a 21st Century Girl doesn’t believe that India is a male dominated country because now-a-days abla’s are sabla’s I mean to say that today’s generation women always want to get something which is new branded and which also has a status symbol that too sitting at home without earning anything. This whole pressure comes on the poor husband who has to listen to his parents, to his in-law, to his boss to his children’s demand too. Irrespective of his demand he has to fulfill his family demand first.

If demand is not fulfilled by him then he has to listen to his wife’s taunts, his children’s frustration to face other problems too. Husbands also have only one person to whom they can talk i.e. to their wife, But dominating nature of wives make them more angry and violent due to which male remove their frustration in form of anger and violence. After that, the spouse or man’s better half do the propaganda of their so called plight without thinking about their husband’s mental status. Thus, adding fuel to fire. They do this with their sure shot and powerful weapon i.e. Tears. Some wives are so great that they directly go to the cops without thinking once about the consequences on their husbands and his family members, Due to which males like (Ram) have to suffer a lot.

This thought of mine can be explained with my personally witnessed experience some days back in my friend’s case. She was genuinely eve teased by some notorious guys in her neighborhood. Her father came to know about this incidence and he called the cops. The guys were taken to question by the police. But to my surprise the police did not even question us at all!!! They took us on face value and the guys were bashed royally by police. And we were not even questioned at all. I could sense the loop hole that I hear many elder married guys stuck in divorce who talks about it, like the one in my neighborhood. Before which I had no whiff about the whole thing.

I asked the police if we could leave and he understood my gesture on face. And he said to us that “You are like our daughters and we have now to be extra cautious about our image too, especially after the rape cases”

And that is where after the NC was lodged I could make out that men are really really vulnerable and women is actually dominating men using men (police) and law to the maximum of their advantage.

No doubt my friends’ grievance was genuine but the statement of the police and the treatment given to the accused at the face value of the whole matter made my conscience prick me to the extent of telling me that thank god I do not have a brother else he could have been victimized and would have been equally vulnerable to this attitude of the police.

“That keeps me pondering on the question that “Is India Really a Male Dominated Country???”


Sneha Kala.
XII Commerce, C-11.
Thakur College

5:51 PM

Anonymous said...

They used to say when you marry a lady, the 2 families also get married. The problems get sorted out by the 2 families. But remember now…..REMEMBER…..NRI guy and and others dont only marry an Indian lady from India but also marries the Indian police, who are the first ones to arrest you before you are found guilty. Why we blame the law? The law is there. The people who put the law in place are the ones to take the responsibility. So why marry a lady from India in the first place?

Anonymous said...

Arre...yahin to dhokha kha gaya India..

Anonymous said...

FACTS IN SIMPLE ENGLISH

India is so divided as it is and such laws will only send females to some sector of the men population....eg men police, men lawyers, men judges. As per the law, men are not trusted it seems and most of the people handling the cases are men. This is the place where the same ladies will say yes sir and can end up doing whatever is said to them and will have to keep the mouth shut also, and later realise what real trouble can be.

Let all that happen and then when they don’t have any place to go to, then the lesson will be learnt…..is this what we want to happen to our sisters, wives and mothers? Don’t you think it will be too late by then? Meaning….. where will they complain when harassed by men police, men lawyers, and men judges? These guys may not be your husbands but they will still be men. Will they care for you more than your husbands? Will they truly care for you?

Lot needs to be done to have good population of men police, men lawyers, men judges etc before letting these women go to these men. I say this because men are not trusted as per the law. It is like a case where a woman law maker is sending a poor cow to a lion hoping that the lion is a vegetarian. Note for the law maker (specially the female law maker):- Please first sort out other problems before this creates more problems for the society.

NOW YOU MIGHT BE THINKING:- IS THIS IS WRITTEN BY A MAN OR A WOMAN? THIS IS WRITTEN BY A HUMAN BEING. UK.

Anonymous said...

FROM THIS 498A SECTION AND HOW IT WORKS, IT SEEMS THAT IT IS VERY VERY SAFE FOR AN INDIAN LADY FROM INDIA TO MARRY AN INDIAN POLICE-MAN, INDIAN MAN LAWYER, INDIAN MAN JUDGE. .....ARE THEY ALL PERFECT AND UNTOUCHABLE BY THE LAW???!!! AND IS THE REST OF THE MEN POPULATION UNTOUCHABLE BY THE WOMEN POPULATION???!!! UK PERSON.

Anonymous said...

Lot needs to be done to have good population of men police, men lawyers, men judges etc before letting these women go to these men. I say this because men are not trusted as per the law. It is like a case where a woman law maker is sending a poor cow to a lion hoping that the lion is a vegetarian. Note for the law maker (specially the female law maker):- Please first sort out other problems before this creates more problems for the society. UK Guy