Posted by: gokul_p_r , Sun May 4, 2008 9:20 pm (PDT)
Suresh, Samuel and all,
Suresh impressed as ever seeing your action oriented plans(not leg-less ideas, knowing you :), I am sure u have been tracking this aspect of converting cream of IT/Biz heads into evangelists against legal terrorism, good compilation of news about biz heads who we can target and get to our side.
I am sure Bangalore guys especially IT seniors like Bharathi can start networking on this aspect and get HP, Wipro heads in the loop for lobbying(I guess there is already some action in this direction initiated by Gorky/Bharathi by educating the HR of all IT companies, from what I could read in a couple of the mails in the past). Amitabh can do this for one of the heads mentioned in the list(for now this is sensitive, so not disclosing).
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Only true equality and true education will bring harmony between the sexes.True value-based education has to start from the home, from a humanist mother and father(why be a feminist when you can be more than that? :).
Bare degrees and jobs are not signs of education, but a humane mind is. Bare rights at the cost of some else's sufferings is not equality, but nurturing and complimenting each other is.
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Samuel, though biologically Men and Women have different capabilities including left brain/right brain capabilities, if you take IT field acumen both men and women should score as equals in terms of overall capability, at the same time complimenting each other's specific capabilities( the difference which u pointed out- Women not up to the mark of men in IT, must be only because women as class were not encouraged in the past(to a certain extent even now) to get educated, by a lot of fathers/mothers.
In our culture this tendency/attitude is still prevalent - the attitude 'Beti toh paraaya ghar ki hein'(a girl child will anyway belong to some other family after marrige) -read with- 'isko padake kya collector banegi/banayegi, shaadi hi toh karni hein!'(by educating girl what will anyone gain(she is not supposed to be collector), after all she has to 'just' get married).
If in the past parents of girls had educated the girls properly, the dependacy of dowry as a securtity deposit for the girls would have had come down(in most of the situations the purpose of giving money to the husbands family was for her protection/expenses for her lifetime- if she could have been self reliant in a suitable job(as explained in the later parts of this post, by the virtue of being 'properly' educated) she would have brought her self the required security/expenses without being dependant of dowry.
In addition to reducing dependancy on dowry as security deposit for a less reliable product(an uneducated married girl), the girls would have brought up as equals(having equal inheritance of ancestral/accrued properties, socially, etc.) and the present day scenario of radical feminism would have been exposed by women themselves right in the beginning.
Its because women are uneducated and oppressed, by and large, that this radical feminists has the scope to corrupt their minds. Educated women brought up by educated mothers (and fathers) would spot the danger and opportunism of these feminazies in a blink of their eyes.
Its not late, we should educate our daughters in a proper way so that they know when a family breaking thought is being injected into them by these radical feminists who are themselves single/divorced/ social outcasts.
This virtue of education(proper, not just degrees, but value inculcating education) in women is evident in some parts of India(again in some selected families, since value for education was not recognised widely in the past due to various historical reasons like oppression of masses/colonisation and hence general deprivation, etc.) where the women were traditionally brought up as equals. In these families they used to balance family responsibilities plus taking care of the home-centric businesses(manufact uring and finance side) while the menfolk used to take care of the Promotion and Marketing side. For example in kerala, there where a number of families in which educated womenfolk used to take care of the coconut and paddy cultivation/ coir manufacturing and labourers while the menfolk go off to far away lands/markets to trade the crop/products.
This was a successful model in which familial responsibilities where taken care in addition to a part of the business by educated women folk, but these models were a rarity and did not become the mainstay of our society, which instead got corrupted by dowry, inequal treatment of women, etc., and hence facilitating the emergence of laws like IPC 498a, DV, and other biased laws, formed under the lobbying pressure of radical feminists.
Education in the right sense is the solution for healing the world. Lets not forget this when our turn comes, lets not treat our children with gender bias, lets start a fire.
regards
Gokul
PS: I don't believe in unmindful women-bashing, because I have seen successful women right in front of my eyes, who have done more than what I have described above- they were all brought up as equals and were given proper value-based education. As the saying gies "If a women is educated a whole generation will be educated(her kids and their kids)"
--- In saveindianfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "sureshram56"
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WE can present a program on Impact Legal Terrorism and itsManifestation on IT IndustryStarting withAzim premji of WiproBreaking News : Azim premji ini another DV case<http://genderindian.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/12/breaking-news-azim-premji-ini-another-dv-case.htm>Sunil Mittal of HPProsecution of former HP India chief to proceed, rules SC<http://www.livemint.com/2008/02/21234306/Prosecution-of-former-HP-India.html>Vikram Uttam Singh, of KPMG,Does KPMG paid the price for recruiting a 498A Legal terrorist<http://www.ibnlive.com/news/sexual-harassment-at-work-sacked-employee-gets-justice/50246-3.html>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/message/60457Ajay Agarwal,of Pune<http://www.ibnlive.com/news/punes-top-builder-on-police-radar-wife-alleges-harassment/60706-3.html>http://www.ibnlive.com/news/punes-top-builder-on-police-radar-wife-alleges-harassment/60706-3.html"We conduct regular yoga ad meditation workshops at the Hyderabadoffices of IT companies such as IBht Micn3soft, Infosys and Wipro"SeverallT companies are now organising social events ...Infosys, for one, organises events where both employees and theirfamilies ""Oracle "We have several health and social initiatives that help our24,000". We celebrate Family Days
--- In saveindianfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "samesh" > wrote:> >> >
THE POINT THAT THIS FAILS TO NOTE IS ONE MORE REASON THAT ADDS TO THEROOT CAUSE. THE POPULATION THAT I.T. PROFESSIONALS FORM OFF IS APREDOMINANTLY HIGHLY TECHNICALLY INCLINED MALE POPULATION.THAT IS NOTSOMETHING THAT CAME ABOUT COS FEMALES WERE NEGLECTED OR ABUSED OR HAVELESS OPPORTUNITY ( FEMALE EDU IN INDIA IS F-R-E-E TILL 21 YRS OF AGE +FEMALES PAY LESS TAX + A LOT MORE SCHEMES FOR FEMALES ) BUT FOR THESIMPLE REASON THAT THEY DONT HAVE THE APTITUDE/INTELLECT TO BE SOVERSATILE AND TECH INLINCED ( THIS IS A STEREOTYPE THAT IS LARGELYTRUE BUT THERE CAN BE STRONG STRAY EXCEPTIONS ) AS IS NEEDED BY I.T.INDUSTRY.MOST OF THESE JOBS FROM THE BEST ( H1 OR OUTSOURCED ) COME TODESI IN INDIA COS OF<> HI TECH VERSATILTY NEEDED FOR THESE SKILLED GROUP.MOST INDIAN I.T.FELLOWS ARE EXPECTED TO HAVE A COMBINATION OF 5 TIMES MORE SKILL SETSTHAN THE AVG. FELLOW ( AT LEAST IN MY CASE ) IN THE WEST AT LESS THAN1/5 THE RATE AS IS PAID IN THE WEST.<> COMMUNICATIONS SKILLS IN ENG ARE GOOD.SO THE INCONGRUENT GLOBAL DEMAND FOR I.T HAS RESULTED IN AN NATURALLYINCONGRUENT POPULATION , THAT IS PREDOMINATELY MALE, GOING ABROAD.THIS HAS CAUSED J-E-A-L-O-U-S-L-Y IN THE FEMALE SIDE , WHO THINK THATTHEY CAN ONLY GET A FARE SHARE BY BEING A PARASITE ON THE MALES.I AMNOT BEING BIASED JUST TAKE AN E.G. of Nurses ( the policy is totallyanti immigration cos an RNP is a coveted profession in USA sought byboth males and females ) , Air hostresses ( most Western Women look ,dress and Behave 10000x better than the UGLY desi counter parts e.g.compare the Smart Delta/ Lufthansa airhostress to an Air India Aunty) , Film Actresses / Escorts ( you would all AGREE with me when u seeboth Aish Rai and Bo Derek wearing underclothes that BO DEREK ORPAMELA ANDERSON LOOKS 100000000000000000000 TIMES BETTER THAN THATCHEAP DESI MAL OF AISH RAI AND LIKES ). IN OTHER WORDS THE ONLYPROFESSION THAT TAKES YOU ABROAD TODAY IS MALE DOMINATED ( NOT BYSITUATION BUT BY DESIGN ) .WHEREAS THIS GROUP OF TECH SUPERIOR PEOPLE IS GOOD AT TECH WORK THEYARE BAD IN POLITICS & RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS LIKE THEY ARE ALL GOATSLINED UP TO GET SLAUGHTERED BY THE HALAL FEMALES. THE ONLY THING THATCAN CHANGE THIS IS THE FORMING OF STRONG MALE UNIONS , ACTIVE INGENDER POLITICS , IN I.T. COMPANIES, THAT LOBBY AGAINST GENDER BIASEDLAWS AND THREATEN STRIKE AGAINST CONG GOVT IF DEMANDS ARE NOT MET.....BUT WHO THE BLOODY HELL CARES..........CHALTA HAI ....CHAL NE DO.
--- In saveindianfamily@ yahoogroups. com, "weaknessasin" > > wrote:> > >> > >
ITh gettingThe flipside of India's IT boom: depression, divorces, SUICIDES...Manoj SharmaHindustan Times, 04-05-08, Epaper.NITIN KUMAR, 28, is a software professional with a top-notchinformation technology company in Bangalore. A fat salary, a fancyapartment and a big carhe seems to have everything going for him.But scratch the surface and you realise that the boy from Jamshedpurhas paid a hefty price for success in India's Silicon Valley. Forthe last two years, he has been putting in an average of 13 hours ofwork a day. Sometimes there's work to be done after-hours too: inthe form of conference calls in the middle of the night with clientsin the US. The stress of such a 10 had a telling effect on hismarriage within a few months of tying the knot in 2006. His w@, acommercial artist, began to suspect him of having an extramaritalaffair Four months back, when he returned from work, he found thathis w@ had left for her parents' home in Lucknow. She has now filedfor divorce. A distraught Nitin has developed suicidal tendencies.Dhananjay Kumar 27, is a software analyst at a reputed IT company inGurgaon. Married for two years to a PR professional, his longworking hours have resulted in migraines and dizzy spells. He todaysuffers from a lack of sexual desire and that has resulted ingrowing marital discord.NITIN AND Dhananjay are not isolated cases in the Indian IT industryTheir predicament represents the flipside of the IT revolution deadin their house in Vijayawada. The next month, Bangalore techie AmitBhuddiraja strangled his wife to death, suspecting her of having anaffair Later that month, Hyderabad software engineer E Rama Krishna,31, was found dead with his wife Soumya, 23, in their home. Krishnaleft a suicide note saying that he resorted to the extreme stepbecause of his wife's suspicious behaviour The couple had beenmarried for a year SK Chaturvedi, professor of psychiatry at theNational Institute of Mental Health and Neurosciences (NIMHANS),says, "There has been a five-fold rise in the number of ITprofessionals visiting us for many stress-related problems in thepast couple of years. In fact, this prompted us to con duct a studyamong IT professionals, which ibund that 36 per cent of theprofessionals we studied are probable psychiatric cases." The studythat Chaturvedi led last December also throws up a number ofdisconcerting trends about stress in the IT and IT-enabled services(ITES) industry. (See box below for the findings.) Pressurepoints "People from the IT sector often display symptoms such asrestlessness, lack of concentration, anxiety, body pain, lack ofsleep, headache, panic, nervousness, and complain of not enjoyingdaily activities," says Chaturvedi.Another psychiatrist with a private practice in Bangalore says that70 per cent of his clients happen to be from the IT industry Theproblems do not only hound techies in Bangalore, the spread of thephenomenon is wider Dr Deepak Raheja, clinical psychiatrist at ParasHospital in Gurgaon, says, "Forty per cent of my patients are ITprofessionals. The problem is that they are given unreasonabletargets and deadlines, and they just cannot cope." For themselves,IT professionals complain that it's the complex problem solving,mismanaged or under-evaluated software projects, and pressure ofdeadlines that make their jobs so stressful. "There is fiercecompetition and nothing is repetitive. One has to innovate andstretch oneself everyday," says Sandeep Gupta, a softwareprofessional working in Noida. Another IT professional fromBangalore, who requested anonymity, says, "We take a lot of workhome.Most of us forget to press 'pause' when it comes to work. Peerpressure and the pressure of paying large instalments on cars andhome loans are also making things difficult for many of us." Splitwide open Aruna Broota, a Delhi-based psychologist, says, "Many ITprofessionals I counsel are so hooked to the computer that they haveno social skills and have no family concerns. I have had many caseswhere wives of IT professionals told me they have married a wall - aperson without any interest in love, romance and sex, which isresulting in increasing marital discord." The NIHMANS study showedthat married IT professionals were more stressed than unmarriedones. Rahul Kashyap, a Chandigarh-based software professional,says, "It's not just my wife who's often angry with me, even myeight-year-old son has not been talking to me for a month. For thepast three years, I have not been able to attend his birthday as Ihave been out on projects."Sexologists say that long hours in the night in front of computersmake IT professionals physically weak and, eventually, they developsexual and reproductive problems. Dr D. Narayana Reddy, a well-knownChennai-based sexologist, says, "There is rising incidence ofimpotence, hormone disorder and infertility among IT professionals.I have had several cases where young professionals have not had sexfor two years. There are also cases where marriages have not beenconsummated for two years. The online chat rooms have become theirbedrooms. The worst part is that they do not have the time andpatience to set- t1e issues with their spouses.A Chennat-based lawyer reports. "In the last one year, I havehanelled about a dexen cases involving IT professionals wheredivorce s been sought on the ground of impotence." Private detectiveagencies report a steep rise in the number of IT professionals wivesapproaching them for spying on their husbands. Pradeep Sharma, ownerof the Delhibased Times Detectives, says, "Forty per cent of myclients are IT professionals or their wives who want to spy on theirspouses, because they suspect them of having extramarital affairs.They are so suspicious that no matter what our findings are, most ofthem end up divorcing." Divorces filed in Bangalore offer anotherworrisome view. From 1,240 in 2004, the number shot up to 1,860 and2,493 in 2005 and 2006, respectively Ujwala A. Mandgi, co-owner ofone of the oldest law firms in Bangalore, reck- ons more than halfof them are from the IT sector She says. "This year. the number ofHNorce cases in Bangalore has already crossed 1,200 in just tourmonths. Chennai, too, offers a bleak view Lalvvors from the city sayabout -10 per cent of the divorces filed in the city involve IT orITES professionals and there are more cases being filed by women.Geeta Ramaseshan, a Chennai-based activist-1awyer, says, "Most ITprofessionals belong to the 'Entitlement Generation', which believesin the right to many things including the making and breakingmarriages.Since IT professionals are financially independent, they do notthink twice before partying ways." Arun Bharadwaj, a lawyer at theDelhi High Court, feels that one of the significant reasons formarital discord in the industry is that while some do not want tohave children at all, others postpone starting a family for the sakeof their careers. "I know many IT guys who are so caught up in therat race that they are more concerned about pleasing their bossesthan their spouses," says Bharadwaj. Healing touch Many IT companieshave realised the enormity of the problem. While many have help-lines and inhouse psychiatrists, other hold regular yoga andmeditation classes for the mental and physical wellbeing of theiremployees. S. Ram Mohan Rao, head of the Sahaja Yoga Society inAndhra Pradesh, claims, "We conduct regular yoga and meditationworkshops at the Hyderabad offices of IT companies such as IBhtMicn3soft, Infosys and Wipro. Besides, about 200 IT professionalsare regulars at our various centres in Hyderabad."SeverallT companies are now organising social events regularly andtrying to cut down on office hours. Infosys, for one, organisesevents where both employees and their families participate. It hostsan annual day for the 'Petit Infoscion', in which the children ofemployees explore their parents' workplace. IT services may haveborne the brunt of such excesses of working lives till now But, asthe NIMHANS report underlines, it's a social phenomenon that needsto be tackled across India and across sectors on an emergency basis.http://groups.yahoo.com/group/saveindianfamily/post?postID=AmFgeXlelQW3HOkUyrfAfUAxoiT5cvauMGitmuPaTn67D0hW5FmnNIc46587-fldiJY1TkTs2cuFqOLFUdD4iJ-qdy7nJ774wgMINDING WELLNESS PRITHVI SHERGILL, HR head, Accenture India "Thehealth of our 37,000 employees matters a lot. We have round-the-clock clinics called 'Wellness Centres'. We have regular awarenesscamps where doctors and specialists talk on various health topics.We also provide flexible work options to help employees betterbalance their lives. We offer our employees a productive workenvironment. We host gettogethers not only for our employees, butfor their families too. We celebrate Family Days. Besides, we haveCommunities, a yearlong initiative that aims to bring employees withsimilar interests together. There, each employee can participate ina range of activities."ERGONOMIC FITFORALL ALLEN MATHEW, Senior HR director, Oracle "Wehave several health and social initiatives that help our 24,000employees in India and their families. We have ongoing activities tomake our employees aware of and prevent ergonomicsrelated disorderssuch as repetitive stress injuries. Also, our india offices' designand furniture follow global ergonomic standards. We have a freeEmployee Assistance Program providing our employees' family membersaccess to professional counselors. We also have employee clubs thatconduct yoga and meditation workshops. We have options such as flexi-time, workfrom-home and part-time work to give our employees achoice."
