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Monday, August 11, 2008
Winning through Opinion-Formation: Techniques&Strategies
Hi Guys,
New match Venue, team SIF
please get your boots and jersies over here. and lets go get them: http://forum.indya.com/showthread.php?p=1125268#post1125268
See the link above, all
activists who wants educate the public are requested to that match venue asap,
start commenting, this venue is a friendly venue, make it our home venue by
commenting and education the general public who visit this page(this is the page
for feedback to the Tamil Tv program "Ippaddikku Rose" translated
video presentation will be ready by tomorrow, at youtube.
About the presentation/argumenting
tones and persona of our activists: We need to play the "Good Cop
& Bad Cop" routine in any public debate to achieve maximum
information absorption!. The bad cop will ridicule, use dark sarcasm, humour,
down right censure, etc., while the Good Cop(like Rajesh projected his
arguments) tells his mind with a cool, compassionate tone. The good cop will not
be able to cut the other parties arguments since his projected persona will not
allow being rude, but that’s where the bad cop comes in!, he can be rude,
point blank and on the face with his arguments and criticism. The good cops role
is to provide a shoulder for the tired opposition to rest their heads!(fighting
with the bad cop!) and while the opposition takes a breather the good cop
manipulates the oppositions’ opinions in his own way and set stage for the
opponent to finally yield!
Haven’t you guys met
these characters in real life?: like one traffic police acting tough and
being abusive, and then comes the good cop lovingly listening to ur view, and
slowly preparing you to part with your bribe money!(the yield in this example),
and the final push comes when the bad cop pounces from behind and rolls his
eyes- you part with a crisp 100 rupee(or even 500 if the couple performs their
routine well!). Its the same thing what we can emulate, like the generations
successfully have!.
This is the way police in
advanced countries break up a tough criminal too, without force, without even
touching the criminal/terrorist- this is the model which is ever green. So we
just have to assume the part we are comfi with. Swarup will always, better, be
the bad cop(since the other part doesn't suit him much), Virag is also naturally
inclined that way. For me any role which is vacant is ok(like a joker of
cards!).
If we understand this
analogy well, theres no chance in hell that we don't win debates, so internalise
this, consciously generate rage(but let not control you, you control it),
posture yourselves according to the strengths and weakness of the opposition -
go for the Jugular all the time, we have no time to waste!, too many opponents
to obliterate!.
What Rajesh is thinking is
already done, all the deans and colleagues of Huma have received what Virag and
me wrote in Huma's criticism(I hope she hasn't applied for long leave or even
resigned!, yet) . Here are the emails if you guys wanna further give them your
piece of mind(ensure that Huma is on the Cc of BCc(like what I did, for effect!)
(SDSU dean/faculty emails: "Violence Against Women Editor" <claire.renzetti@notes.udayton.edu.>,
speciale@mail.sdsu.edu, webcontent@sciences.sdsu.edu, dean@sciences.sdsu.edu,
nikbakht@mail.sdsu.edu, ilara@mail.sdsu.edu, eestrada@mail.sdsu.edu
, google for more!
Make a mental note, show
rage, show compassion, show derision, show pity, show ridicule, but don't
consumed by all that, keep the focus on our Goals - Opinion Formation .... Mass
Opinion formation.... each and every word coming out of you should be designed
to achieve maximum bang per buck - thats what this game is about.
regards
Gokul
Rajesh Motwani <motwani2002@yahoo.com> wrote:
Bro,
u r techning her ur way, she wanted some material for her study so gave it to
her in her own sweet way
but goal is same...
about her knowledge for 498a and going ahead and publishing....
atleast she will not write about DV/125/24 etc like she did for 498a (which
does not need to have IPC suffixed ... good one bro) .... and this will make
her think 10 times, and that will be the starting force of our resistance (our
education)...
and if we have her boss ka email ID or her hierarchy or related and concerned
parties if there is any communciation channel, lest sure, they will get the
knowledge .... tubto unko samajna hee padegaa
yahaan subash chandra bose bhi milenge, bhagat singh bhi milenge and gandhiji
bhi milenge
If this happens, that will be begin the fruits of our efforts which are sown
today
:)
appreciating ur deligence and persistence of laat'ufying to suuch and alike
gr8 show !
Regards,
Rajesh
--- On Sun, 8/10/08, Virag
wrote:
> From: Virag
> Subject: Re: Are you really aware?
> To: motwani2002@yahoo.com
> Cc: saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, gokul_p_r@yahoo.com
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 7:14 PM
> I know Rajesh,
>
> Initially she thought I am alone and just replied
> blatantly. But she was
> lest aware of, kis phatey mein haath daal rahi hain :)
>
> As regards to education is concerned, giving due respect to
> the efforless
> tasks SIFFIANS have taken to create awareness about this
> misuse, in today's
> world if someone talks of 'ignorance about the
> misuse", that person be
> better ridiculed.
>
> And this holds true for 498a victims as well. For Huma, she
> has apparently
> conducted a research on 498a and published a paper, do you
> really think she
> is so naive as to be ignorant of misuse? Not at all.
>
> She is very well aware that the law is being misused (how
> deep the knowledge
> she has is another contentious issue) but if she has the
> knowledge it has
> defnitely come from SIFFIAN sites and still if she
> publishes this bogus
> paper, simply means she cares a damn about men or its
> misuse and probably
> took us lightly thinking we will not object but when she
> got one tight slap
> from me, her ego was rattled as apparent from her mail.
>
> We are not here to educate the feminists, pig headed people
> do not learn.
> They deserve only one thing and that is laat.
>
> But appreciate your efforts in educating her.
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Rajesh Motwani
>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Virag,
> >
> > I know We are just educating her !.... is only
> intention.
> >
> > so chill...and reply what u think fit for education
> >
> > this is right mode of education what do u think?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rajesh M
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Virag
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Virag
> > > Subject: Re: Are you really aware?
> > > To: motwani2002@yahoo.com
> > > Cc: ghosh@mail.sdsu.edu,
> claire.renzetti@notes.udayton.edu,
> > saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, gokul_p_r@yahoo.com,
> > "MyNationFoundation"
>
,
> > "Dowry_Law_Misuse"
>
> > > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 5:19 PM
> > > Agree, but from no standpoint of sensical
> analysis, does
> > > respecting women
> > > amount to insult of men.
> > >
> > > When the misuse of IPC 498a has devastated so
> many families
> > > and every year
> > > 56, 000 married men are committing suicide to
> avoid it,
> > > terming it as a soft
> > > law is direct insult to those men who have
> suffered for no
> > > fault of theirs
> > > except getting married to a bad wife.
> > >
> > > Respect should not come out of gender, it should
> come out
> > > on its own. One
> > > should command and not demand respect.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Rajesh Motwani
> > >
wrote:
> > >
> > > > I truly understand your feelings
> Virag...bro, i am
> > > seriously at my core of
> > > > heart respect wome, as i have sister, my
> mother is a
> > > women too ....
> > > >
> > > > but never knew the other aspect of life ...
> > > >
> > > > And also i didnt knew as Huma and other are
> thinking,
> > > I have felt the pain,
> > > > no one will understand, if i do not try to
> tell them,
> > > they will also be in
> > > > the state that i was in ...
> > > >
> > > > Hence i think Huma and others are not
> adamant, they
> > > are professors and
> > > > carry more social responsibility, hence i
> thought i
> > > should tell them there
> > > > is another aspect which is dark, and
> dangerous....
> > > >
> > > > hence i thought if i can help her study to
> have
> > > practical and real, it is
> > > > not imperative if a person is stranger he
> cannot add
> > > to her studes, i want
> > > > her to rpesent the current situation,
> attimes we live
> > > in 1942....as i was
> > > > till i got the real aspect, for me it is
> clear, but
> > > since does not know this
> > > > pit, its became imperative for me to have
> this pie to
> > > her....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > its altogether a different aspect if she has
> another
> > > propaganda or
> > > > otherwise and she cannot stand the
> truth.....but its
> > > atleast important that
> > > > she will know and if her brother or someone
> whom she
> > > has affection for will
> > > > make that person aware and cautious .... if
> that
> > > happens that will be my
> > > > greet and wish fullfilled from my heart. as
> i will not
> > > like even my enemy to
> > > > get into this...she is stranger to me.....
> > > >
> > > > but its my cautious thinking that i want her
> to
> > > know....if she takes into
> > > > consideration good, otherwise who i am for
> her....NO
> > > ONE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Virag
>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Virag
> > > > > Subject: Re: Are you really aware?
> > > > > To: motwani2002@yahoo.com
> > > > > Cc: ghosh@mail.sdsu.edu,
> > > claire.renzetti@notes.udayton.edu,
> > > > saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com,
> gokul_p_r@yahoo.com,
> > > > "MyNationFoundation"
> > >
,
> > > > "Dowry_Law_Misuse"
> > >
> > > > > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 4:43 PM
> > > > > Well Rajesh,
> > > > >
> > > > > Although extensively explained by you,
> but her
> > > first reply
> > > > > to me itself
> > > > > shows how closed minded she is. When
> one can
> > > consider an
> > > > > email of
> > > > > constructive criticism as harassment,
> you can see
> > > the
> > > > > mental level of that
> > > > > person.
> > > > >
> > > > > And moreover, typing 498A in google
> gives you so
> > > many links
> > > > > of misuse. You
> > > > > do not even need to append IPC to it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Did she ever do it? No.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has she actually studied the law before
> making a
> > > > > horrendously untruthful
> > > > > statement, that IPC 498A is a soft law?
> No.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does she even know how many cases of
> false 498A,
> > > based on
> > > > > completely
> > > > > imaginary and cock and bull stories are
> filed
> > > just to end
> > > > > Marriages and
> > > > > encash them as well and these are the
> outblown
> > > statistics
> > > > > used radical
> > > > > feminist agencies like NCW and WCD
> ministry to
> > > promote and
> > > > > justify such
> > > > > laws? No.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does she know, in 98 % of cases the
> girls who are
> > > highly
> > > > > educated, and
> > > > > capable of living a lavish lifestyle on
> their
> > > own, first
> > > > > file a 498a case
> > > > > and then maintenance on the basis of
> that
> > > harassment? No.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does she know of the intricacies
> of this
> > > nexus between
> > > > > bad wives,
> > > > > lawyers, police, judges and women NGOs
> to loot
> > > and
> > > > > terrorize innocent
> > > > > husbands and their families under the
> barb of
> > > 498A, to make
> > > > > a statement that
> > > > > 498A is a soft law and demands stricter
> > > implementation and
> > > > > at the same
> > > > > denouncing Indian men and insulting
> them in
> > > public?
> > > > > Nothing, she knows
> > > > > nothing and claims to be a professor.
> > > > >
> > > > > And on top of that, she says,
> "just because
> > > my email
> > > > > id is public, does not
> > > > > mean any tom dick or Harry can harass
> me by
> > > sending
> > > > > emails"?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is height of typical feministic
> behavior,
> > > the moment
> > > > > you try to get
> > > > > into reason with them they start crying
> > > harassment.
> > > > >
> > > > > And she calls my sending an email to
> her as a
> > > typical
> > > > > "Patriarchial behavior
> > > > > :)"
> > > > >
> > > > > When people are sitting at a position
> that
> > > matters, they
> > > > > ought to have this
> > > > > basic common sense that their words too
> matter
> > > and they
> > > > > should not befool
> > > > > the general diaspora with their own
> whims and
> > > fancies and
> > > > > actions gratifying
> > > > > personal ego and in tune with personal
> vendetta.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Rajesh
> Motwani
> > > > >
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Huma, and others,
> > > > > > Its good that you are making a
> history by
> > > publishing
> > > > > you study, let me give
> > > > > > few statistics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Interesting Stats On Arrests
> Of Women
> > > > > > In 1930, the British govt arrested
> 17,000
> > > women for
> > > > > their involvement in
> > > > > > the Dandi Yatra (Salt March).
> During 1937 to
> > > 1947 (10
> > > > > Years), they arrested
> > > > > > 5,000 women involved in the
> freedom
> > > struggle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From 2004 to 2006, the govt of
> India
> > > arrested 90,000
> > > > > women of all ages
> > > > > > under 498A. On the average, 27,000
> women per
> > > year are
> > > > > being arrested under
> > > > > > this flawed law. These are stats
> from the
> > > NCRB
> > > > > >
> > > > > > neither these stats are self made
> nor
> > > infliction of
> > > > > thought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a brief; Even i believed women are
> > > sufferers, when i
> > > > > came to understand
> > > > > > this disgrace, i realized the
> difference
> > > between milk
> > > > > and milk-with-water;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today women in India on 498a have
> forwarded
> > > the
> > > > > attribution, and imputation
> > > > > > have followed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > U may not be knowing, a career
> oriented
> > > women marries
> > > > > to a engineer because
> > > > > > of simplicity in nature, and same
> simplicity
> > > is not
> > > > > enjoyed by women, and
> > > > > > then due reasons files 498a on
> family and
> > > relatives
> > > > > who never saw her, and
> > > > > > case is made and court takes
> > > cognizance...then women
> > > > > starts staying
> > > > > > with guardians when husband dont
> succumb
> > > files
> > > > > Maintenance case that she is
> > > > > > living on the mery of
> guardians...(a career
> > > oriented
> > > > > women, who got married
> > > > > > saying she has this qualification,
> that
> > > qualification,
> > > > > is in a lead position
> > > > > > and has helped so many to start
> their
> > > career's etc
> > > > > etc....file ne more case
> > > > > > which could be around 1800 Miles
> from home
> > > and the
> > > > > husband gets in to this
> > > > > > menace again...,and has to prove
> that she
> > > has
> > > > > employment etc etc...)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wifes have filed cases on pregnant
> women who
> > > never
> > > > > stayed with husband or
> > > > > > came to meet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wifes have filed cases on a kid of
> 4 years,
> > > stating he
> > > > > was party to
> > > > > > harrasment/....4 years kid ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wife files cases on married ,
> unmarried
> > > sisters of
> > > > > husband .... people
> > > > > > living distant, there are cases
> where more
> > > than 17
> > > > > people are roped and case
> > > > > > is proved false
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > u wont believe., there are people
> who are
> > > fighting
> > > > > cases in different
> > > > > > cities, some have 7 cases in 5
> cities, some
> > > have 10
> > > > > cases in 8 cities, some
> > > > > > have 3 cases in 2 cities...) and
> the menace
> > > > > continues....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > one short enphasis, wife filed
> 498a on
> > > entire family,
> > > > > wife after 1 eyar
> > > > > > files maintenance case in distant
> city and
> > > states she
> > > > > has no living and need
> > > > > > survival allowances .. ....and
> when hearing
> > > comes the
> > > > > income tax returns are
> > > > > > disclosed, and it is argued that
> the court
> > > has no
> > > > > jurisdiction(that means
> > > > > > the place is incorrect) as she
> doesnt stay
> > > there which
> > > > > was reality
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then wife display passport and
> visa saying
> > > she stays
> > > > > there and she is
> > > > > > continuing
> > > > > > to stay and court has right to
> decide this
> > > matter in
> > > > > this court ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when passport is looked upon, it
> is observed
> > > the wife
> > > > > had flied to other
> > > > > > country .... if she has flied for
> tourism
> > > how can she
> > > > > say that she cannot
> > > > > > survive and need survival
> allowance or
> > > maintenance....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there are matters wife lived with
> husband
> > > for 6 weeks
> > > > > and 3 weeks in
> > > > > > honeymoon to an exotic place and
> then due
> > > some
> > > > > discord, after 6 weeks the
> > > > > > husband lives in the ambit of
> 498a,
> > > maintenance case,
> > > > > divorce case and the
> > > > > > husband has to run to save his
> family, his
> > > professon,
> > > > > his life is
> > > > > > destroyed,, his social status ,
> economic
> > > status, every
> > > > > status is hit ....
> > > > > > woh cared for her and didnt even
> ask for
> > > penny, ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there is so much to have a real
> study .... u
> > > can get
> > > > > more here .... then u
> > > > > > can present u views ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > u may have another apect of life,
> but if
> > > some one goes
> > > > > this trauma knows
> > > > > > .....
> > > > > > we pray to god enemy also should
> be spared
> > > of this
> > > > > .....
> > > > > > but if someone need
> experience....can come
> > > to India
> > > > > get married to girl and
> > > > > > when faced 498a atleast will get
> the bitter
> > > truth ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i know i am stranger to you, but i
> only pray
> > > that
> > > > > menace is gone
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if i was not right, why there are
> so many
> > > recent news
> > > > > papers, news channles
> > > > > > show that police officials of
> delhi-India
> > > > > states"we will not allow mis-use
> > > > > > of dowry..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > why is state and central govt
> saying there
> > > is need to
> > > > > amend law
> > > > > >
> > > > > > at the same time they are also
> saying that
> > > laws should
> > > > > be stringent....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > why they say this.... There is
> ministry of
> > > women and
> > > > > child who are
> > > > > > funded....legal aid is free for
> women they
> > > are funded
> > > > > this year the fund is
> > > > > > approx 33,000 crore....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there is no one for men, MEN pay
> 82% tax of
> > > overall
> > > > > taxation .... but find
> > > > > > no help....no support,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when families are roped, even
> women are
> > > roped; .... u
> > > > > can do more study if
> > > > > > u may want.....otherwise u can
> also leave
> > > this aspect,
> > > > > becuase u wanted to
> > > > > > rpesent something which u did and
> let by
> > > gones be
> > > > > bygones. ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or u may really gather more
> info....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if u need any support / study
> material /
> > > info we are
> > > > > here to provide .... i
> > > > > > was just trying to provide what u
> may need
> > > or u may
> > > > > not know ... even though
> > > > > > as a stranger ....i wish u
> succeed; but the
> > > data, the
> > > > > truth and the facts
> > > > > > may go against you and so many
> feelings hurt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Rajesh
wrote:
> From: Virag
> Subject: Re: Are you really aware?
> To: motwani2002@yahoo.com
> Cc: saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, gokul_p_r@yahoo.com
> Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 7:14 PM
> I know Rajesh,
>
> Initially she thought I am alone and just replied
> blatantly. But she was
> lest aware of, kis phatey mein haath daal rahi hain :)
>
> As regards to education is concerned, giving due respect to
> the efforless
> tasks SIFFIANS have taken to create awareness about this
> misuse, in today's
> world if someone talks of 'ignorance about the
> misuse", that person be
> better ridiculed.
>
> And this holds true for 498a victims as well. For Huma, she
> has apparently
> conducted a research on 498a and published a paper, do you
> really think she
> is so naive as to be ignorant of misuse? Not at all.
>
> She is very well aware that the law is being misused (how
> deep the knowledge
> she has is another contentious issue) but if she has the
> knowledge it has
> defnitely come from SIFFIAN sites and still if she
> publishes this bogus
> paper, simply means she cares a damn about men or its
> misuse and probably
> took us lightly thinking we will not object but when she
> got one tight slap
> from me, her ego was rattled as apparent from her mail.
>
> We are not here to educate the feminists, pig headed people
> do not learn.
> They deserve only one thing and that is laat.
>
> But appreciate your efforts in educating her.
>
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Rajesh Motwani
>
wrote:
>
> >
> > Virag,
> >
> > I know We are just educating her !.... is only
> intention.
> >
> > so chill...and reply what u think fit for education
> >
> > this is right mode of education what do u think?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rajesh M
> >
> > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Virag
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Virag
> > > Subject: Re: Are you really aware?
> > > To: motwani2002@yahoo.com
> > > Cc: ghosh@mail.sdsu.edu,
> claire.renzetti@notes.udayton.edu,
> > saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com, gokul_p_r@yahoo.com,
> > "MyNationFoundation"
>
,
> > "Dowry_Law_Misuse"
>
> > > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 5:19 PM
> > > Agree, but from no standpoint of sensical
> analysis, does
> > > respecting women
> > > amount to insult of men.
> > >
> > > When the misuse of IPC 498a has devastated so
> many families
> > > and every year
> > > 56, 000 married men are committing suicide to
> avoid it,
> > > terming it as a soft
> > > law is direct insult to those men who have
> suffered for no
> > > fault of theirs
> > > except getting married to a bad wife.
> > >
> > > Respect should not come out of gender, it should
> come out
> > > on its own. One
> > > should command and not demand respect.
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Rajesh Motwani
> > >
wrote:
> > >
> > > > I truly understand your feelings
> Virag...bro, i am
> > > seriously at my core of
> > > > heart respect wome, as i have sister, my
> mother is a
> > > women too ....
> > > >
> > > > but never knew the other aspect of life ...
> > > >
> > > > And also i didnt knew as Huma and other are
> thinking,
> > > I have felt the pain,
> > > > no one will understand, if i do not try to
> tell them,
> > > they will also be in
> > > > the state that i was in ...
> > > >
> > > > Hence i think Huma and others are not
> adamant, they
> > > are professors and
> > > > carry more social responsibility, hence i
> thought i
> > > should tell them there
> > > > is another aspect which is dark, and
> dangerous....
> > > >
> > > > hence i thought if i can help her study to
> have
> > > practical and real, it is
> > > > not imperative if a person is stranger he
> cannot add
> > > to her studes, i want
> > > > her to rpesent the current situation,
> attimes we live
> > > in 1942....as i was
> > > > till i got the real aspect, for me it is
> clear, but
> > > since does not know this
> > > > pit, its became imperative for me to have
> this pie to
> > > her....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > its altogether a different aspect if she has
> another
> > > propaganda or
> > > > otherwise and she cannot stand the
> truth.....but its
> > > atleast important that
> > > > she will know and if her brother or someone
> whom she
> > > has affection for will
> > > > make that person aware and cautious .... if
> that
> > > happens that will be my
> > > > greet and wish fullfilled from my heart. as
> i will not
> > > like even my enemy to
> > > > get into this...she is stranger to me.....
> > > >
> > > > but its my cautious thinking that i want her
> to
> > > know....if she takes into
> > > > consideration good, otherwise who i am for
> her....NO
> > > ONE
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- On Sun, 8/10/08, Virag
>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > From: Virag
> > > > > Subject: Re: Are you really aware?
> > > > > To: motwani2002@yahoo.com
> > > > > Cc: ghosh@mail.sdsu.edu,
> > > claire.renzetti@notes.udayton.edu,
> > > > saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com,
> gokul_p_r@yahoo.com,
> > > > "MyNationFoundation"
> > >
,
> > > > "Dowry_Law_Misuse"
> > >
> > > > > Date: Sunday, August 10, 2008, 4:43 PM
> > > > > Well Rajesh,
> > > > >
> > > > > Although extensively explained by you,
> but her
> > > first reply
> > > > > to me itself
> > > > > shows how closed minded she is. When
> one can
> > > consider an
> > > > > email of
> > > > > constructive criticism as harassment,
> you can see
> > > the
> > > > > mental level of that
> > > > > person.
> > > > >
> > > > > And moreover, typing 498A in google
> gives you so
> > > many links
> > > > > of misuse. You
> > > > > do not even need to append IPC to it.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Did she ever do it? No.
> > > > >
> > > > > Has she actually studied the law before
> making a
> > > > > horrendously untruthful
> > > > > statement, that IPC 498A is a soft law?
> No.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does she even know how many cases of
> false 498A,
> > > based on
> > > > > completely
> > > > > imaginary and cock and bull stories are
> filed
> > > just to end
> > > > > Marriages and
> > > > > encash them as well and these are the
> outblown
> > > statistics
> > > > > used radical
> > > > > feminist agencies like NCW and WCD
> ministry to
> > > promote and
> > > > > justify such
> > > > > laws? No.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does she know, in 98 % of cases the
> girls who are
> > > highly
> > > > > educated, and
> > > > > capable of living a lavish lifestyle on
> their
> > > own, first
> > > > > file a 498a case
> > > > > and then maintenance on the basis of
> that
> > > harassment? No.
> > > > >
> > > > > What does she know of the intricacies
> of this
> > > nexus between
> > > > > bad wives,
> > > > > lawyers, police, judges and women NGOs
> to loot
> > > and
> > > > > terrorize innocent
> > > > > husbands and their families under the
> barb of
> > > 498A, to make
> > > > > a statement that
> > > > > 498A is a soft law and demands stricter
> > > implementation and
> > > > > at the same
> > > > > denouncing Indian men and insulting
> them in
> > > public?
> > > > > Nothing, she knows
> > > > > nothing and claims to be a professor.
> > > > >
> > > > > And on top of that, she says,
> "just because
> > > my email
> > > > > id is public, does not
> > > > > mean any tom dick or Harry can harass
> me by
> > > sending
> > > > > emails"?
> > > > >
> > > > > This is height of typical feministic
> behavior,
> > > the moment
> > > > > you try to get
> > > > > into reason with them they start crying
> > > harassment.
> > > > >
> > > > > And she calls my sending an email to
> her as a
> > > typical
> > > > > "Patriarchial behavior
> > > > > :)"
> > > > >
> > > > > When people are sitting at a position
> that
> > > matters, they
> > > > > ought to have this
> > > > > basic common sense that their words too
> matter
> > > and they
> > > > > should not befool
> > > > > the general diaspora with their own
> whims and
> > > fancies and
> > > > > actions gratifying
> > > > > personal ego and in tune with personal
> vendetta.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 4:27 PM, Rajesh
> Motwani
> > > > >
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Dear Huma, and others,
> > > > > > Its good that you are making a
> history by
> > > publishing
> > > > > you study, let me give
> > > > > > few statistics
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some Interesting Stats On Arrests
> Of Women
> > > > > > In 1930, the British govt arrested
> 17,000
> > > women for
> > > > > their involvement in
> > > > > > the Dandi Yatra (Salt March).
> During 1937 to
> > > 1947 (10
> > > > > Years), they arrested
> > > > > > 5,000 women involved in the
> freedom
> > > struggle.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From 2004 to 2006, the govt of
> India
> > > arrested 90,000
> > > > > women of all ages
> > > > > > under 498A. On the average, 27,000
> women per
> > > year are
> > > > > being arrested under
> > > > > > this flawed law. These are stats
> from the
> > > NCRB
> > > > > >
> > > > > > neither these stats are self made
> nor
> > > infliction of
> > > > > thought.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > a brief; Even i believed women are
> > > sufferers, when i
> > > > > came to understand
> > > > > > this disgrace, i realized the
> difference
> > > between milk
> > > > > and milk-with-water;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Today women in India on 498a have
> forwarded
> > > the
> > > > > attribution, and imputation
> > > > > > have followed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > U may not be knowing, a career
> oriented
> > > women marries
> > > > > to a engineer because
> > > > > > of simplicity in nature, and same
> simplicity
> > > is not
> > > > > enjoyed by women, and
> > > > > > then due reasons files 498a on
> family and
> > > relatives
> > > > > who never saw her, and
> > > > > > case is made and court takes
> > > cognizance...then women
> > > > > starts staying
> > > > > > with guardians when husband dont
> succumb
> > > files
> > > > > Maintenance case that she is
> > > > > > living on the mery of
> guardians...(a career
> > > oriented
> > > > > women, who got married
> > > > > > saying she has this qualification,
> that
> > > qualification,
> > > > > is in a lead position
> > > > > > and has helped so many to start
> their
> > > career's etc
> > > > > etc....file ne more case
> > > > > > which could be around 1800 Miles
> from home
> > > and the
> > > > > husband gets in to this
> > > > > > menace again...,and has to prove
> that she
> > > has
> > > > > employment etc etc...)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wifes have filed cases on pregnant
> women who
> > > never
> > > > > stayed with husband or
> > > > > > came to meet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wifes have filed cases on a kid of
> 4 years,
> > > stating he
> > > > > was party to
> > > > > > harrasment/....4 years kid ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > wife files cases on married ,
> unmarried
> > > sisters of
> > > > > husband .... people
> > > > > > living distant, there are cases
> where more
> > > than 17
> > > > > people are roped and case
> > > > > > is proved false
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > u wont believe., there are people
> who are
> > > fighting
> > > > > cases in different
> > > > > > cities, some have 7 cases in 5
> cities, some
> > > have 10
> > > > > cases in 8 cities, some
> > > > > > have 3 cases in 2 cities...) and
> the menace
> > > > > continues....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > one short enphasis, wife filed
> 498a on
> > > entire family,
> > > > > wife after 1 eyar
> > > > > > files maintenance case in distant
> city and
> > > states she
> > > > > has no living and need
> > > > > > survival allowances .. ....and
> when hearing
> > > comes the
> > > > > income tax returns are
> > > > > > disclosed, and it is argued that
> the court
> > > has no
> > > > > jurisdiction(that means
> > > > > > the place is incorrect) as she
> doesnt stay
> > > there which
> > > > > was reality
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then wife display passport and
> visa saying
> > > she stays
> > > > > there and she is
> > > > > > continuing
> > > > > > to stay and court has right to
> decide this
> > > matter in
> > > > > this court ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when passport is looked upon, it
> is observed
> > > the wife
> > > > > had flied to other
> > > > > > country .... if she has flied for
> tourism
> > > how can she
> > > > > say that she cannot
> > > > > > survive and need survival
> allowance or
> > > maintenance....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there are matters wife lived with
> husband
> > > for 6 weeks
> > > > > and 3 weeks in
> > > > > > honeymoon to an exotic place and
> then due
> > > some
> > > > > discord, after 6 weeks the
> > > > > > husband lives in the ambit of
> 498a,
> > > maintenance case,
> > > > > divorce case and the
> > > > > > husband has to run to save his
> family, his
> > > professon,
> > > > > his life is
> > > > > > destroyed,, his social status ,
> economic
> > > status, every
> > > > > status is hit ....
> > > > > > woh cared for her and didnt even
> ask for
> > > penny, ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there is so much to have a real
> study .... u
> > > can get
> > > > > more here .... then u
> > > > > > can present u views ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > u may have another apect of life,
> but if
> > > some one goes
> > > > > this trauma knows
> > > > > > .....
> > > > > > we pray to god enemy also should
> be spared
> > > of this
> > > > > .....
> > > > > > but if someone need
> experience....can come
> > > to India
> > > > > get married to girl and
> > > > > > when faced 498a atleast will get
> the bitter
> > > truth ....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i know i am stranger to you, but i
> only pray
> > > that
> > > > > menace is gone
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if i was not right, why there are
> so many
> > > recent news
> > > > > papers, news channles
> > > > > > show that police officials of
> delhi-India
> > > > > states"we will not allow mis-use
> > > > > > of dowry..."
> > > > > >
> > > > > > why is state and central govt
> saying there
> > > is need to
> > > > > amend law
> > > > > >
> > > > > > at the same time they are also
> saying that
> > > laws should
> > > > > be stringent....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > why they say this.... There is
> ministry of
> > > women and
> > > > > child who are
> > > > > > funded....legal aid is free for
> women they
> > > are funded
> > > > > this year the fund is
> > > > > > approx 33,000 crore....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > there is no one for men, MEN pay
> 82% tax of
> > > overall
> > > > > taxation .... but find
> > > > > > no help....no support,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > when families are roped, even
> women are
> > > roped; .... u
> > > > > can do more study if
> > > > > > u may want.....otherwise u can
> also leave
> > > this aspect,
> > > > > becuase u wanted to
> > > > > > rpesent something which u did and
> let by
> > > gones be
> > > > > bygones. ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > or u may really gather more
> info....
> > > > > >
> > > > > > if u need any support / study
> material /
> > > info we are
> > > > > here to provide .... i
> > > > > > was just trying to provide what u
> may need
> > > or u may
> > > > > not know ... even though
> > > > > > as a stranger ....i wish u
> succeed; but the
> > > data, the
> > > > > truth and the facts
> > > > > > may go against you and so many
> feelings hurt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Rajesh
Yes Virag, its already 15
- Love, if we play this even further... it will be Game, Set and Match
soon.... let's show her the way out anyway, if she's such a cry baby, not
wanting any constructive criticism on even her publicly accessible/promoted
'Research-Work"!!!(or should it be pack of lies/delusive
insensibilities/ramblings of an insane professor?!).
If one claims to be a
researcher, he/she should have basic scientific temper, minimal levels of
natural or acquired inquisitiveness, or at least basic courtesy to read and
understand at least the spirit of communication directed to that person. If none
of these exists among the faculties of such person he or she should at least,
the very least, admit her/his inability to comprehend the world as it is and to
selective perception/tunnel vision... for confession is the way to redemption.
If that person still defends his already exposed-hollow arguments, it would just
help in exposing the ignorance of self!.
If being academician means
the power to unilaterally obliterate truth and facts, we don't need such
academicians, as the song goes......" we don't need no education, we
don't no thought control...." (haven't heard this, here it is, hear it for
life!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-9czP52Ayw (remix)
& http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwTpZpwjtIE (the
Pink Flloyd Original) )
PS: This is not
‘BCc’ied to any so-called Professor(Yes...... I sinned here, for sure!). Let
me clarify that I give real respect but only real Professors, not the phony ones
who wriggle out of a healthy debate!.
PPS: Well...
why did the professor choose not to reply to me, was my questions (as
quoted in my message below,using the same font & colour) tougher than what
her syllabus allows!?
regards
Gokul
Re:
Condemning the severely imperialist feminist propaganda in "Chat
Posted by: "Virag" virag.v@gmail.com
talk2virag
Sat Aug 9, 2008 8:56 am (PDT)
Well Hjuma,
Definitely you have right to write what you feel like. But thousands of
families in India are devastated by the misuse of IPC 498A and there lives
are shattered in a moment when a case is filed.
And with radical feminists like you refusing to believe that a woman can be
a marriage breaker too (without any justifiable reason) and keep spreading
the false alarm of "Sole victimization of women", and also expressing
them
in international research papers, it becomes our moral duty to show you the
real face of truth.
If it is that painful to accept that you have seriously flawed in your
paper, then I cannot but condemn your lack of grace. Citing IPC 498A as
'Soft Law' itself shows the lack of research from your angle on the topic or
an attempt to know the reality.
If you cannot tolerate truth then better do not publicize your email id.
Sitting in cozy foreign lands, it is very easy to write such biased and
false papers, come down to India and see the reality for yourself.
I simply sent an email to you on your work and you feel harassed, shows
typical feminist behavior from you again. Instead of going into the
technical / logical details of my email and the intention behind, you have
started whining about harassment and stuff.
Have you ever thought of the harassment that a family undergoes over whom a
false dowry case is lodged?
Gokul had sent an email on statistics of women arrested, and you still
believe that IPC 498A is a soft law? When you have published a research
paper on a topic as sensitive as 498a, be ready to accept criticism, for
there are serious flaws in what you have said.
No wonder radical feminists like you can never think beyond patriarchy and
feminsm.
It is actually a sign of arrogance from your side to refuse to accept the
reality. IPC 498a is misued to the tune of 98 % and you say it is a soft law
and demand stricter implementation, by what yardstick, tell me???
Did you even bother to go through the long email I had composed to you?
On Sat, Aug 9, 2008 at 12:14 AM, Huma Ghosh <ghosh@mail.sdsu.
edu> wrote:
>
>
> Virag,
>
> I have a right to write what i want and am sorry it bothers you so much. I
> did an article for an academic journal which sends it out for review to
many
> people before it accepts it.
> Your views are yours and i am not here to contest it.
>
> Just because you have access to e-mail it does not mean that people like
> you can have the right to harass me. This is itself is a sign of your
> arrogance and patriarchal sense of self.
> I am a professor, i do research, i write what i perceive to be the case. If
> it is not to your satisfaction that is not my business---i don't even know
> you are!
>
> But if expressing your views makes you feel better, i hope i have achieved
> something. But in future please do not harass strangers.
> --
> Huma Ahmed-Ghosh, Associate Professor
> Department of Women's Studies
> Center for Islamic and Arabic Studies
> San Diego State University
> 5500 Campanile Drive
> San Diego, CA 92182
> Tel: 619-594-3046
> Fax: 619-594-5218
"Gokul
P.R" <gokul_p_r@yahoo.com> wrote:
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 13:46:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Gokul P.R" <gokul_p_r@yahoo.com>
Subject: 4 times more Women arrested through Women-Protection laws &
people talk about making it worser! Re: Condemning the severely imperialist
feminist propaganda in "Chattels of Society"
To: Virag <virag.v@gmail.com>, Huma Ahmed-Ghosh <ghosh@mail.sdsu.edu>,
"Editor, Violence Against Women" <Claire.Renzetti@notes.udayton.edu.>
CC: SIF <saveindianfamily@yahoogroups.com>,
mynationYG <MyNationFoundation@yahoogroups.com>,
Dowry_Law_Misuse <dlmi@googlegroups.com>
Dear Prof.
Ghosh and others,
See the Statistics
by National Crime Research Bureau(NCRB, India), which is self-explanatory
and shocking too.
NCRB Statistics
Arrested Under IPC | Women | Men | Total | % Women Arrested |
2004 | 27832 | 97825 | 125657 | 22.1 |
2005 | 28745 | 98815 | 127560 | 22.5 |
2006 | 31253 | 105927 | 137180 | 22.8 |
2007 increase | 32815 | 111223 | 144039 | 22.8 |
Totals | 1,20,645 | 4,13,790 | 5,34,436 | 22.6 |
Note: The average percentage of women arrested is 22.6%,
which is 4 times more than the average of women
arrested under all IPC sections(5.8%).
Does this mean that the incidence of women
criminals are 4 times more inside Indian families than in the general
population!?
Or does this anomaly mean, RIGHTLY so,
that women protection laws like IPC 498a is grossly
misused, especially against women themselves. Indeed these laws are
misused by women criminals(who were termed as ‘Legal
Terrorists’ by supreme court(India) itself), the so called Wives,
who are just feigning victims, and are an insult to every woman.
498a& Dowry Act(3,4):more than 22%
arrested are women themselves - see the statistics(as available in the
NCRB sire, see links below) for women affected by IPC 498a and Dowry Death(IPC
304B).
3,90,397 persons(of which 87,830(22.5%) were women themselves!!!) were
arrested under Section 498A in 2004, 2005 & 2006 as per the data published
by the National Crime Research Bureau(NCRB).
So over 87,000 women also have been arrested without evidence or
investigation in case of IPC 498a cases, in three years(2004 to 2006) so its not
just a matter of Harrassed Men, its a clear case of Families in distress due to legal
terrorism.
Another point to note is that in IPC 498a and Dowry Deaths(304B) the
percentage of women arrested are more than 22% of the total number of people
arrested(compared to around 5.8% women in the total arrested in other crimes)
Refer the statistics from NCRB(National Crime Research Bureau)
Year 2004(http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2004/cii-2004/Table%2012.2.pdf)
Year 2005(http://ncrb.nic.in/crime2005/cii-2005/Table%2012.2.pdf)
And
Year 2006(http://ncrb.nic.in/cii2006/cii-2006/Table%2012.2.pdf)
_____________
Note: in the above table the statistics for year 2007 is estimated(at a
conservative 5% growth based on the trend of pervious year growths), since NCRB
data for this year is not yet available.
Tell why 4 times more women are
arrested from inside Indian families under Sections like IPC 498a, why women
arrested in other crimes are 1/4th in percentage among the total number of
people arrested?.
What is your contention?. Whats your
solutions which you must have distilled vide your research?.
Do you wish to restate any part of
your research in the light of the new evidence you have come across, if so which
part and how would you restate?.
regards
Gokul
PS: If anyone wants to see the truth see these video presentations:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3koC6v9VHyk and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xKkz17Zhp8
. We rest our case!.
Virag <virag.v@gmail.com>
wrote:
Prof Ghosh,
I would like to raise serious objections to your research paper, titled
"Chattels of Society" in which you have adjudged Section 498A of the
Indian Penal Code as a very light law and
demanded stricter implementation.
As a deemed professor in San Diego State university, there has to be
substantial amount of credibility in the papers that you present, for common
people of average intellect tend to go by your words and research without
going into the intricacies of the statements made keeping in mind your degree
and stature.
You say, Section 498A is a 'soft law'. By which yardstick of legal analysis do
you propose to make such erroneous a statement. For your general knowledge you
would like to read this link, highlighting the marketable features of this
law, deemed as 'Soft' by you.
IPC
498A - The most draconian law
Assuming you increase the hit count of the above link by 1 and devour its
contents, you can easily see how a grave criminal offense of 498A can be
lodged against any man married in India or any NRI married to an Indian girl.
Filing a case is piece of cakewalk, just like ordering a pizza from the
nearest US Pizza outlet with home - delivery.
One unverified complaint and all the accused are thrust behind bars and denied
bail. This fear of arrest and inhuman torture at the hands of criminally de -
sensitized police force, can drive the nuts out of any sane person. People
succumb to fear of false cases and end up loosing all their wealth in settling
this false case in addition to bearing the social stigma, ostracization and
trauma of false allegations.
Many Indian married men succumb to this ongoing Legal Terrorism in the name of
Women Empowerment as reflected in the suicide statistics prepared by National
Crime Records Bureau,
In 2005, 52, 483 and in 2006, 55, 452 married men committed suicide in India
as opposed to 28, 188 and 29, 869 married women for the same years
respectively.
Has this thought ever occurred to you as to why so many men are forced to
commit suicide in your so called, "Patriarchial Society"?
Have you run a simple search on 498A in Google?
Well sitting in California, the mecca of World
Wide Web, you should have done this. But seeing your views, I am not waiting
for your answer. I know you have not. For if you had actually done so, a whole
new reality shift would have occurred to you.
Denouncing Indian men as abusive and representing Indian women as stupid
victims, clearly shows your overtly bent, deeply ingrained and ubiquitously
stereotypically radical feminist mindset.
Aah and before I forget, your so called 'Soft' 498A has jailed 1, 20, 645
innocent women in the last four years, 3 - 4 times the number the British
could achieve in 40 years. Yes the same british people with whom you seem so
overwhelmed that you suggest mimicking their matrimonial policies.
You are aware that Britain figures absymally low in marital happiness and
there are more divorced couples than married couples?
What do I conclude from this, that you want to ruin the Indian Family system?
Or probably you thought that no one is going to raise a finger against any
flimsy stories you write about Indian men and women
gratifying your personal ego and vendetta?
I am quite sure you are not very happy seeing this mail, but neither was I
seeing your remarks on Indian men which were not only false and baseless but
also highly denigrating and demeaning as well in addition to being grossly
humiliatory in nature.
And as I am on an education ride to a professor of San Diego state university,
let me add this miniscule piece of information as well lastly, that in section
498A, 98 % cases are false and this study has been conducted by Center for Social
Research, an India Govt. Enterprise.
And my last note goes to Claire Renzetti, the editor of the journal, Violence
Against Women that the research paper, "Chattels of Society" by Prof
Huma Ahmed Ghosh has resulted in gross misbalance of gender sensitivities and
general view of Domestic Abuse. Hence the same be restored by allowing a
research paper on "Widespread misuse of 498A to harass and abuse the
husband and his parents and siblings".
Friday, August 01, 2008
Unprovoked Suicides- Dowry-Deaths in the making!(Auto conversion kit- IPC 304B)
http://www.hindu.com/2008/08/01/stories/2008080162121500.htm
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080731/nation.htm#22
http://at498a.blogspot.com/2008/07/false-allegations-of-dowry-expose.html
http://at498a.blogspot.com/2014/03/another-perishes-in-face-of-legal.html
Hi All responsible media friends and concerned citizens.
See this post about how even dowry death cases(IPC sec 304b) could be false and misused(this post includes examples of the recent Air Hostess suicide which was touted as Dowry Death and later it turned out to be because of lover's tiff with a colleague/Pilot plus more real life and less reported cases): http://at498a.blogspot.com/2008/07/false-allegations-of-dowry-expose.html
If you all remember the alleged Dowry death of Preeti Rai Singhani, who had committed suicide after only 12 days of being with her husband in Sierra Leone(West Africa) : http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10505 , http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10601 , http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10360 & http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10422 .
In our search for truth we have found enough evidences to state that the girl suicided on her own, and Demand of dowry was not its cause(inferring from the local Police(Sierra Leone police had closed this by confirming that it was a clear case if suicide not arising due to demand of dowry) reports and Witness statements).
The girl's(Preeti Raisighani) body is still in the mortuary(in Africa) even after 60 days of her death by suicide, since her relatives still want to investigate the truth(not accepting the local police's investigation report and conclusion of Suicide by self will).
The boy's family has now run out of money after paying heavily for the mortuary(refrigerated) expenses and lawyer/bail fees(the parents of the husband where in custody for around a month and had to approach HC, Mumbai, after their bail applications were rejected in District court and Sessions court), other incidental expenses(phone, courier, local expenses), etc.
The husband is now not in a position(financially in heavy debt, due to this false allegation on him , his brothers family and his senior citizen-parents!) to transport the body at his expense, and this was projected as "the husband demanded 15 lakhs from the deceased girl's parents, for release of the dead body!!!", whereas the husband in his telecon with the girl's parents just mentioned that it takes 15,000 local currency(Sierra Leone) to transport the body to India and that he is not in position to pay that much now that his financial position is negative(on loans now)).
If anyone in the media or otherwise is willing/interested in knowing and publicising the truth in this case please contact us at 'Protect Indian Family', NGO, Mumbai.
One case less of misuse of laws concerning families, the better Indian families will be!.
swarup sarkarwrote:
Dear Mr. Balram and the Editor of Times of India,
SC ruling on suicide by married women : Do you Know?
New Delhi, July 30
If a woman commits suicide within seven years of her marriage, it cannot automatically be inferred that the incident was abetted by her husband and in-laws who had ill-treated her earlier, the Supreme Court has held.
"The mere fact that a woman committed suicide within seven years of her marriage and that she had been subjected to cruelty by her husband or any relative of her husband, does not automatically give rise to the presumption that the suicide has been abetted by her husband or any relative of her husband," a bench of Justices R.V. Raveendran and Mukundakam Sharma said. The apex court passed the observation while acquitting a woman convicted for abetting the suicide of her daughter-in-law.
Under Section 113-A of the Indian Evidence Act, a court may presume, on proof of circumstances, if the victim had committed suicide within seven years of marriages that her husband or any other relative had subjected her to cruelty.
"One of the circumstances which has to be considered by the court is whether the alleged cruelty was of such nature as was likely to drive the woman to commit suicide or cause grave injury or danger to life, limb or health of the woman," the bench said.
In the instant case, the deceased Shanti Bai had committed suicide by setting herself ablaze. The prosecution claimed that Shanti Bai had resorted to the extreme step as she was unable to bear the harassment by her in-laws.
On the basis of the evidence the trial court in Madhya Pradesh convicted the deceased's mother-in-law Munni Bai for abetting the suicide and sentenced her to three years RI, which was affirmed by the High Court, upon which she appealed in the apex court.
The apex court after perusal of various evidence and records noted that there was nothing on record to prove the prosecution's claim that the mother-in-law abetted the suicide of her daughter-in-law. Accordingly, it ordered her acquittal. — PTI
For Further reference :
· NCW's recommendations to address "unnatural deaths" of married women are Unreasonable
In the interest of justice, fairness and equality to both genders, we, the members of Save family Foundation, Delhi, make the following recommendations:
• Section 304(B) should not be retained in the law; IPC Section 302 already covers murder andIPC Section 306 covers abetment of suicide, and therefore Section 304(B) is only a duplicationof law, which is gender-biased.
• All cases of murder, including murder for dowry should be dealt with under IPC Section 302.
• All cases of abetment of suicide, including those allegedly done for dowry, should be dealt withunder IPC Section 306.
• If IPC Section 304(B) is not removed from Indian law, then it should be amended and madeapplicable to men and women equally. Specifically, the word "husband/wife" should bereplaced by the word spouse.
• Section 304(B) treats the accused as guilty until proven innocent, thus, violating the UniversalDeclaration of Human Rights which proclaims that "everyone charged with a penal offence hasthe right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty". The law needs to be amended so that noarrests of any of the accused (man, woman or child) are made without proper investigation and Written approval of police officials of the rank of DCP or above.
• Those who misuse the section for settling personal scores should be heavily penalizedbecause false allegations and prosecution can cause irreparable damage to the accusedParties even if they are later declared not guilty.
Unnatural death "is a category used by coroners and vital statistics specialists for classifying all human deaths not properly describable as death by natural causes. Hence it would include events such as accident, execution, homicide, misadventure (being attacked by insects, reptiles, fishes, lions, tigers, bears, stingrays, or other wild animals), adverse outcome of surgery, suicide, terrorism, war."
Any person, male or female, married or unmarried, may die an unnatural death due to any of the above causes. Among these, homicide (murder) is the only cause which unambiguously qualifies as crime that can be committed by one person on another, and is already covered under IPC Section 302. It is, therefore, obvious that having a section specifically to deal with dowry murder is redundant, and only reflects gender bias. In addition to murder, abetment of suicide is also a crime and punishable under IPC Section 306 which addresses both male and female victims.
Therefore, once again, it is unnecessary to have duplications and special provisions in law like Section 304(B) and Section 498(A) to address suicides of women. Most cases recorded as "dowry death" involve women who died by accident or by committing suicide. Data from the National Crime Records Bureau indicates that there is no difference between the rate of suicide of married women and never married women. However, radical organizations like NCW would have us believe that every death of a married woman is a dowry death, without providing any justification for such presumption.
Recent data from the National Crime Records Bureau indicate that nearly twice as many married men, compared to married women, commit suicide every year, unable to withstand verbal, emotional, economic and physical abuse and legal harassment by their wives. While every death of a young married woman is converted into a case of dowry death leading to immediate arrest of the husband and in-laws, followed by a prompt media trial, large-scale suicides of men do not cause any outrage.
Gender obsessed women's activists also refuse to admit the fact that accidental deaths are also equally likely among men and women. Therefore, it has become routine for police to arrest the husband and his relatives and book them under several sections including, IPC 498A, 304B, and Dowry Prohibition Act, every time a woman's relatives claim that the deceased woman had been killed or driven to death/suicide for dowry.
This is the case even when there are suicide notes or dying declarations absolving everyone including the husband of any responsibility for the woman's suicide or death. There have even been instances where fake dowry death cases were registered and the "deceased" wife was found to be alive after the accused husband and in-laws were refused bail and imprisoned. While husbands and their relatives are under constant suspicion leading to frequent violation of their basic human rights, wives are rarely ever questioned leave alone prosecuted if a husband dies or ends his life under similar circumstances.
On 8/1/08, Viragwrote:
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Bangalore_techie_killed_for_dowry/articleshow/3312296.cms
Mr. Balram,
With reference to your article in TOI, Bangalore Edition today, Pg 3,
I would like to ask you who has given you the authority to conduct a
media trial and media conviction of the husband's family.
It is just a mere allegation from the girl's father that she was
'allegedly harassed' for dowry. Soumya Chandra, the girl could have
committed suicide due to any reason other than dowry, which will only
be proved / disproved at a later stage.
How can you take the words of the girl's family as Gospel truth and
print it in bold seriously putting the reputation of the husband's
family at stake?
Why are you hell bent on creating a false alarm in the society that
women are not safe?
One married woman commits suicide and you declare the husband's family
as a criminal. 10, 000 unmarried women are committing suicide
annually, you never printed a word about them.
56, 000 married men are committing suicide, you never bothered to
create awareness about the same. Whose life is in more danger in
today's society? There are 6 different, redundant, lopsided, biased
and heavily misused laws to protect women and none for men, why?
Have you ever raised a finger about this?
You yourself are a man. Have you ever thought what will happen if your
wife puts a case on you? You must be feeling great and heroic writing
about women's cause. And this the result that every year 56, 000 men
are committing suicide and it does not make a difference to you.
A journalist and a reputed tabloid like TOI is believed by everyone
and such news by you, overtly hyped, heavily biased, and unnecessarily
sensationalized are creating panic in the society that women are a
liability and people are rushing to abortion clinics to abort the girl
child either as an infant or a foetus. Such news from sexist people
like you are increasing female feoticide in India. You are the one
responsible for such hoaxes.
Why have you not printed the husband's side of the story? Why has the
news made it to print when he is behind bars and not in a position to
give a statement? Why did you not raise the contention that this
matter is subjudice and you cannot print it without taking the views
of both the parties?
You call yourself the champion of women's causes with such article,
are the mothers and sisters of husbands not women? This yellow
journalism by TOI is spreading poison in the society and creating a
gender divide which will ultimately lead to a social catastrophe. My
job is to create awareness and warn you before hand about it. Choice
is yours whether you want to ignore it or heed to it.
Have you ever raised the question that 56, 000 husband killer wives
are roaming freely in the society?
Some websites for your education,
www.saveindianfamily.org
www.mynation.net
www.savefamily.org
www.pifngo.info
www.siftimes.com
--
Thanks & Regards
Virag
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
http://www.siftimes.com
http://www.savefamily.org
http://mynation.net
http://legalfighter.blogspot.com/
http://crusader-magicofmind.blogspot.com/
http://crusader-indianjustice.blogspot.com/
http://feministindia.blogspot.com/
http://legalfighter.wordpress.com
http://www.merinews.com/allArticles.do;jsessionid=BD553EEC98EAF167806C6437009FFBE6?choice=ByUser&pageNo=1&userId=crusader
To Save Indian Society
Tomorrow
Save Your Family
TODAY.
To know About Indian Laws
Browse
http://mynation.net
For News :
http://mynation.blogvis.com
For Victim Stories :
http://498a.blogvis.com
List Legal Terrorists:
http://498agirls.blogvis.com
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080731/nation.htm#22
http://at498a.blogspot.com/2008/07/false-allegations-of-dowry-expose.html
http://at498a.blogspot.com/2014/03/another-perishes-in-face-of-legal.html
Hi All responsible media friends and concerned citizens.
See this post about how even dowry death cases(IPC sec 304b) could be false and misused(this post includes examples of the recent Air Hostess suicide which was touted as Dowry Death and later it turned out to be because of lover's tiff with a colleague/Pilot plus more real life and less reported cases): http://at498a.blogspot.com/2008/07/false-allegations-of-dowry-expose.html
If you all remember the alleged Dowry death of Preeti Rai Singhani, who had committed suicide after only 12 days of being with her husband in Sierra Leone(West Africa) : http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10505 , http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10601 , http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10360 & http://timesnow.tv/NewsDtls.aspx?NewsID=10422 .
In our search for truth we have found enough evidences to state that the girl suicided on her own, and Demand of dowry was not its cause(inferring from the local Police(Sierra Leone police had closed this by confirming that it was a clear case if suicide not arising due to demand of dowry) reports and Witness statements).
The girl's(Preeti Raisighani) body is still in the mortuary(in Africa) even after 60 days of her death by suicide, since her relatives still want to investigate the truth(not accepting the local police's investigation report and conclusion of Suicide by self will).
The boy's family has now run out of money after paying heavily for the mortuary(refrigerated) expenses and lawyer/bail fees(the parents of the husband where in custody for around a month and had to approach HC, Mumbai, after their bail applications were rejected in District court and Sessions court), other incidental expenses(phone, courier, local expenses), etc.
The husband is now not in a position(financially in heavy debt, due to this false allegation on him , his brothers family and his senior citizen-parents!) to transport the body at his expense, and this was projected as "the husband demanded 15 lakhs from the deceased girl's parents, for release of the dead body!!!", whereas the husband in his telecon with the girl's parents just mentioned that it takes 15,000 local currency(Sierra Leone) to transport the body to India and that he is not in position to pay that much now that his financial position is negative(on loans now)).
If anyone in the media or otherwise is willing/interested in knowing and publicising the truth in this case please contact us at 'Protect Indian Family', NGO, Mumbai.
One case less of misuse of laws concerning families, the better Indian families will be!.
swarup sarkar
Dear Mr. Balram and the Editor of Times of India,
SC ruling on suicide by married women : Do you Know?
New Delhi, July 30
If a woman commits suicide within seven years of her marriage, it cannot automatically be inferred that the incident was abetted by her husband and in-laws who had ill-treated her earlier, the Supreme Court has held.
"The mere fact that a woman committed suicide within seven years of her marriage and that she had been subjected to cruelty by her husband or any relative of her husband, does not automatically give rise to the presumption that the suicide has been abetted by her husband or any relative of her husband," a bench of Justices R.V. Raveendran and Mukundakam Sharma said. The apex court passed the observation while acquitting a woman convicted for abetting the suicide of her daughter-in-law.
Under Section 113-A of the Indian Evidence Act, a court may presume, on proof of circumstances, if the victim had committed suicide within seven years of marriages that her husband or any other relative had subjected her to cruelty.
"One of the circumstances which has to be considered by the court is whether the alleged cruelty was of such nature as was likely to drive the woman to commit suicide or cause grave injury or danger to life, limb or health of the woman," the bench said.
In the instant case, the deceased Shanti Bai had committed suicide by setting herself ablaze. The prosecution claimed that Shanti Bai had resorted to the extreme step as she was unable to bear the harassment by her in-laws.
On the basis of the evidence the trial court in Madhya Pradesh convicted the deceased's mother-in-law Munni Bai for abetting the suicide and sentenced her to three years RI, which was affirmed by the High Court, upon which she appealed in the apex court.
The apex court after perusal of various evidence and records noted that there was nothing on record to prove the prosecution's claim that the mother-in-law abetted the suicide of her daughter-in-law. Accordingly, it ordered her acquittal. — PTI
For Further reference :
· NCW's recommendations to address "unnatural deaths" of married women are Unreasonable
In the interest of justice, fairness and equality to both genders, we, the members of Save family Foundation, Delhi, make the following recommendations:
• Section 304(B) should not be retained in the law; IPC Section 302 already covers murder andIPC Section 306 covers abetment of suicide, and therefore Section 304(B) is only a duplicationof law, which is gender-biased.
• All cases of murder, including murder for dowry should be dealt with under IPC Section 302.
• All cases of abetment of suicide, including those allegedly done for dowry, should be dealt withunder IPC Section 306.
• If IPC Section 304(B) is not removed from Indian law, then it should be amended and madeapplicable to men and women equally. Specifically, the word "husband/wife" should bereplaced by the word spouse.
• Section 304(B) treats the accused as guilty until proven innocent, thus, violating the UniversalDeclaration of Human Rights which proclaims that "everyone charged with a penal offence hasthe right to be presumed innocent until proved guilty". The law needs to be amended so that noarrests of any of the accused (man, woman or child) are made without proper investigation and Written approval of police officials of the rank of DCP or above.
• Those who misuse the section for settling personal scores should be heavily penalizedbecause false allegations and prosecution can cause irreparable damage to the accusedParties even if they are later declared not guilty.
Unnatural death "is a category used by coroners and vital statistics specialists for classifying all human deaths not properly describable as death by natural causes. Hence it would include events such as accident, execution, homicide, misadventure (being attacked by insects, reptiles, fishes, lions, tigers, bears, stingrays, or other wild animals), adverse outcome of surgery, suicide, terrorism, war."
Any person, male or female, married or unmarried, may die an unnatural death due to any of the above causes. Among these, homicide (murder) is the only cause which unambiguously qualifies as crime that can be committed by one person on another, and is already covered under IPC Section 302. It is, therefore, obvious that having a section specifically to deal with dowry murder is redundant, and only reflects gender bias. In addition to murder, abetment of suicide is also a crime and punishable under IPC Section 306 which addresses both male and female victims.
Therefore, once again, it is unnecessary to have duplications and special provisions in law like Section 304(B) and Section 498(A) to address suicides of women. Most cases recorded as "dowry death" involve women who died by accident or by committing suicide. Data from the National Crime Records Bureau indicates that there is no difference between the rate of suicide of married women and never married women. However, radical organizations like NCW would have us believe that every death of a married woman is a dowry death, without providing any justification for such presumption.
Recent data from the National Crime Records Bureau indicate that nearly twice as many married men, compared to married women, commit suicide every year, unable to withstand verbal, emotional, economic and physical abuse and legal harassment by their wives. While every death of a young married woman is converted into a case of dowry death leading to immediate arrest of the husband and in-laws, followed by a prompt media trial, large-scale suicides of men do not cause any outrage.
Gender obsessed women's activists also refuse to admit the fact that accidental deaths are also equally likely among men and women. Therefore, it has become routine for police to arrest the husband and his relatives and book them under several sections including, IPC 498A, 304B, and Dowry Prohibition Act, every time a woman's relatives claim that the deceased woman had been killed or driven to death/suicide for dowry.
This is the case even when there are suicide notes or dying declarations absolving everyone including the husband of any responsibility for the woman's suicide or death. There have even been instances where fake dowry death cases were registered and the "deceased" wife was found to be alive after the accused husband and in-laws were refused bail and imprisoned. While husbands and their relatives are under constant suspicion leading to frequent violation of their basic human rights, wives are rarely ever questioned leave alone prosecuted if a husband dies or ends his life under similar circumstances.
On 8/1/08, Virag
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Bangalore_techie_killed_for_dowry/articleshow/3312296.cms
Mr. Balram,
With reference to your article in TOI, Bangalore Edition today, Pg 3,
I would like to ask you who has given you the authority to conduct a
media trial and media conviction of the husband's family.
It is just a mere allegation from the girl's father that she was
'allegedly harassed' for dowry. Soumya Chandra, the girl could have
committed suicide due to any reason other than dowry, which will only
be proved / disproved at a later stage.
How can you take the words of the girl's family as Gospel truth and
print it in bold seriously putting the reputation of the husband's
family at stake?
Why are you hell bent on creating a false alarm in the society that
women are not safe?
One married woman commits suicide and you declare the husband's family
as a criminal. 10, 000 unmarried women are committing suicide
annually, you never printed a word about them.
56, 000 married men are committing suicide, you never bothered to
create awareness about the same. Whose life is in more danger in
today's society? There are 6 different, redundant, lopsided, biased
and heavily misused laws to protect women and none for men, why?
Have you ever raised a finger about this?
You yourself are a man. Have you ever thought what will happen if your
wife puts a case on you? You must be feeling great and heroic writing
about women's cause. And this the result that every year 56, 000 men
are committing suicide and it does not make a difference to you.
A journalist and a reputed tabloid like TOI is believed by everyone
and such news by you, overtly hyped, heavily biased, and unnecessarily
sensationalized are creating panic in the society that women are a
liability and people are rushing to abortion clinics to abort the girl
child either as an infant or a foetus. Such news from sexist people
like you are increasing female feoticide in India. You are the one
responsible for such hoaxes.
Why have you not printed the husband's side of the story? Why has the
news made it to print when he is behind bars and not in a position to
give a statement? Why did you not raise the contention that this
matter is subjudice and you cannot print it without taking the views
of both the parties?
You call yourself the champion of women's causes with such article,
are the mothers and sisters of husbands not women? This yellow
journalism by TOI is spreading poison in the society and creating a
gender divide which will ultimately lead to a social catastrophe. My
job is to create awareness and warn you before hand about it. Choice
is yours whether you want to ignore it or heed to it.
Have you ever raised the question that 56, 000 husband killer wives
are roaming freely in the society?
Some websites for your education,
www.saveindianfamily.org
www.mynation.net
www.savefamily.org
www.pifngo.info
www.siftimes.com
--
Thanks & Regards
Virag
Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one.
http://www.siftimes.com
http://www.savefamily.org
http://mynation.net
http://legalfighter.blogspot.com/
http://crusader-magicofmind.blogspot.com/
http://crusader-indianjustice.blogspot.com/
http://feministindia.blogspot.com/
http://legalfighter.wordpress.com
http://www.merinews.com/allArticles.do;jsessionid=BD553EEC98EAF167806C6437009FFBE6?choice=ByUser&pageNo=1&userId=crusader
To Save Indian Society
Tomorrow
Save Your Family
TODAY.
To know About Indian Laws
Browse
http://mynation.net
For News :
http://mynation.blogvis.com
For Victim Stories :
http://498a.blogvis.com
List Legal Terrorists:
http://498agirls.blogvis.com
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